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New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« : 06 Июля 2013, 17:04:37 »
or only Sky Sports HD3 is decoded, Sky Sport HD4 and Sky Sport HD5 (only temporary available channels, currently used for F1-subchannels like Pitlane, and Sky Racer)

Might be related to the subscription: as far as I know from several related boards, the new channels Sky Sport HD4 up to Sky Sport HD 11 (as already mentioned: these are only temporary channels for events like Formular-1 camera options), are only cleared with a full paid subscription. Users with a special offer price get no access to the new channels (only Sky Sport HD 3)

As far as I know (from users with an original subscription and the informations they see on their personal "Sky subscribers webpage" from Sky-Germany, users with a cheaper Bundesliga/premier-football subscription will also get only access to the new channels Sky Bundesliga HD 1 up to Sky Bundesliga HD 3 but the other new HD football channels Sky Bundesliga HD 4 up to Sky Bundesliga HD 10 will not be added to their subscription.
But no one can say for sure now, currently no football until next month
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #1 : 06 Июля 2013, 17:17:28 »
curently als Sky Sport HD 6 is active (showing Golf/Alstom Open) but also not decoded from server - same problem as with Sky Sport HD 4 and Sky Sports HD 5:
2013/07/06 15:14:04 30256BE0 c [ADD PID 0] CAID: 1833 ECM_PID: 184F PROVID: 000000
2013/07/06 15:14:04 30256BE0 c [ADD PID 1] CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 1B4F PROVID: 000000
2013/07/06 15:14:04 30256BE0 c [ADD PID 2] CAID: 09AF ECM_PID: 1F4F PROVID: 000000
2013/07/06 15:14:04 30256BE0 c [ADD PID 3] CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 1A4F PROVID: 000000
2013/07/06 15:14:04 30256BE0 c Found 4 ECMpids and 5 STREAMpids in PMT
2013/07/06 15:14:04 30256BE0 c New program number: 012A (1833:012A unknown) [pmt_list_management 3]
2013/07/06 15:14:12 30256BE0 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/012A/89:2AF4F6470E6002ECD06B85DD7B6832B7): timeout (7209 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/06 15:14:14 30256BE0 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/012A/89:BC24FADC21995806F81040BDA17BF8B9): timeout (7210 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/06 15:14:14 30256BE0 c ERROR: Can't decode channel
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #2 : 06 Июля 2013, 18:07:48 »
If the channels are temporary and are broadcasted only during some events, we cannot acivate them, as we do not have subscription to them.
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #3 : 06 Июля 2013, 22:17:32 »
these channels are not PPV, the channels get also always found scanning for channels on my receiver but their is no program 24/7 (but EPG is always available).
Its the same as it is for the Sky Bundesliga channels in SD which are working for years.Sky Sport HD 1 up to Sky Sport HD 11 is available in Sky Sports package with HD-option and Sky Bundesliga HD 1 up to Sky Bundesliga HD 10 is only available if you have a Sky Bundesliga + HD subscription.

But somehow Sky has exclude all subscribers with cheap subscriptions from the new channels. Users who pay less than the standard price get only the same channels as before
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #4 : 07 Июля 2013, 18:36:26 »
This means that when you do not get the additional HD channels (Sky Sports HD 3, Sky Sports HD 4 and so on), right? that would be very bad

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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #5 : 09 Июля 2013, 08:31:13 »
I am speaking that currently, there is NO broadcasting at the above channels, they are actually empty. No matches and no events are broadcasting, except for advertisement.
When any match or event starts broadcasting, we'll see- if we'll be able to add new SIDs to the channels and watch them.
Or, you want to watch advertisement now?
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #6 : 26 Июля 2013, 10:09:52 »
this weekend, with Formular One event, some of the new Sport channels will temporarily be available
regarding the EPG it is:
Sky Sport 3 HD (Astra1/19,2°e, 11914horizontal, 27500, FEC 9/10, DVB-S2 QPSK, SID 010c (or decimal SID = 268)
Saturday 27th July from 13:50cest up to 15:30cest with Live-F1, Sky Control channel
Saturday 27th July from 18:30cest up to 21:00cest with Live Tipp3 BL (Austria football league)

Sky Sports 4 HD (Astra1, 11992horizontal, 27500, FEC 9/10 DVB-S2 QPSK, SID 0116 (or decimal SID 278)
Saturday 27th July from 13:50cest up to 15:30cest with Live-F1, Sky Racer channel

Sky Sports 6 HD (Astra1, 12382horizontal, 27500, FEC 9/10 DVB-S2 QPSK, SID 012a (298)
Sunday 28th July from 13:55cest up to 16:00cest with Live-F1, Sky Racer channel

Sky Sport 7 HD (Astra1, 11332horizontal, 22000, FEC 3/4 DVB-S2 8PSK, SID 0134 (308)
Sunday 28th July from 13:55cest up to 16:00cest with Live-F1, Sky Pitlane channel

These are all "special events" showing by EPG right now.
You should also expect to see "Live-F1, Sky Pitlane channel" also during ForumlarOne Qualifying on saturday
And Sky Germany will for sure also transmit the "Live-F1, Sky Control channel" during the race on Sunday
Beside of this additional channels the ForumlarOne Qualifying and Race will also be shown with the "default picture" on Sky Sports 1 HD
The additional F1-feeds are only showing during the LIVE event and are not repeated with reruns of the race
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #7 : 26 Июля 2013, 14:22:44 »
Jogi, please refer to the billing and look what is the degree for SkyUk we share. I think, it is 28E, not 19E
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #8 : 26 Июля 2013, 14:44:57 »
this thread is located in the Sky Deutschland section and is related to Sky Deutschland
I also have a SkyUK subscription (another account on another receiver, see signature), but this problem is fully related to Sky Deutschland/Germany which uses the Astra-1/19,2°e system for transmission
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #9 : 26 Июля 2013, 14:46:16 »
Sorry, my fault, yes i see
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #10 : 26 Июля 2013, 20:20:12 »
Please refer to the NOTE from http://www.cardsharing.cc/index.php?topic=24539.msg62519#msg62519 at the bottom of the message.

NOTE: Subscription we have is SkyWelt + Film + Sport + Bundesliga + HD + 3D
http://www.sky.de/web/cms/de/abonnieren.jsp
There is no filtration by SIDs, additional channels will work by themselves if they are included in the subscription we have.

If the channels will not work, it means that they are PPV and must be purchased additionally. This is not our plans to purchase any PPV channels for additional money.
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #11 : 26 Июля 2013, 21:16:05 »
theses additional sport (and starting next month football) hd-feeds are not PPV
I am from Germany, so believe me, I am up to date regarding this new policy from Sky Deutschland. The way Sky handle the subscription is base of many controvercial discussion on many german TV releated forums

Basically Sky support argue, that existing customers with a cheaper (Sky internaly so called "discount subscription", not paying full price, using such an offer you post with your link) are not getting less channels than they wereable to received at the date they subscribed to the service. So the customers is not automatically entitled to see all new channels, even if they are added to an existing package structure.
Sky makes only one exception if customers complain: for users who subscribed/prolonged the subscription between 17th April and 30th June - because on the 17th April Sky made an official anouncement about the new Sports/Football HD channels, so these subscribers can argue they have only prolonged because of this fact in combantion with the cheaper price + on the 1st July Sky officialy announced the new subscription policy making clear only full paying subscribers will get new channels for free.
In addition Sky is "so generously kind" to add the new channels for every subscriber already paying the full fee, while customers with a "discount subscription" are of course allowed to upgrade to a full price subscription *g*

Even if I am not ready to pay additionaly 160 pounds for SkyUK Boxnation sport channel (other thread you know :-)), I and I believe most german customers would like to pay 1-2 euro/month in addition for full Sky Sports and Football HD access - if really neccessary
We are talking about the difference from a "discount subscription" for a monthly rate of 24-39 Euro compaired to a full subscription for 66 Euro/month - if you order all packages for full price including HD option.
It would of course also be fine to extend only the cards used for sharing Sky Sport HD and Sky Bundesliga/football HD channels to full price subscriptions. I am not sure how many Sky Deutschland cards you have but I am sure more than one card/subscription is required to share the complete Sky Deutschland package simultaniously. I am not sure if you simply use full-package-subscription-cards for sharing (of course much easier to setup and more flexible) or if you have differnt packages booked on your cards (require a more complicated assigning of cards to fixed channels they are able to decode), but in this case you do not need to upgrade to a 66 Euro all-packages-full-price-subscription, it will be fine to upgrade and pay full price plus HD-option of the subscribed package
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #12 : 27 Июля 2013, 07:05:39 »
Jogi, thank you for information, maybe you are right, i am not sure that i know all the rules of subscription as the Moderator always books the cards and pays for them by himself. However, you may send him e-mail (containing the above explanation) and ask him to think of your proposal. I think, no need to make voting as we did with SkyUK channels. If the the game is worth the candle, you (and all SkyDe subscribers) will have those channels in the package.

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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #13 : 27 Июля 2013, 10:35:45 »
thanks for your reply
lets wait for F1-Qualifying to make sure the new channels are really not working before I mail the moderator *g*

Its hard to believe and I dont know any other company acting this way and dividing "discount subscribers" and "fully-charged subscribers". If you take a look in german TV-related forums you find a lot of complains, Sky will for sure loose many customers with this new policy.

Lets be happy that Sky Germany at least enable new channels automatically for full-price-subscribers - until know it seems Sky has not found an acceptable argument to squeeze even more money out of already-full-price-paying customers for their PayTV-packages compaired to a new customer - but you can not make it more expensive than a new-subscription which include all channels (but Sky might already be working on an acceptable explanation why existing customers need to pay even more than new-subscribers for the same amount of channels. They should consider creating a new-channel-upgrade-fee for existing customers to squeeze at least a one-time payment of 10 or 20 Euro out of existing customers *g* ...yes, I have great ideas to increase the profit Sky could earn from their customers, they should consult me in their billing department *g* )
However: because there are only new channels in the Sky Sports and Sky Bundesliga(football) package it is only neccessary to pay full price for these 2 packages to get full amount of channels. Until now there are no new Sky-Film(movie) channels but I am sure if Sky start a new Movie-channel it will also only be available for full-price-paying Movie-customers and not for cheap "discount-Film-subscribers".
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #14 : 27 Июля 2013, 16:24:23 »
Well, as I see now, Sky Sport HD3 works, just as HD1 and HD2, but cannot access to HD4 and HD5. They have active EPG, but no keys for them at the moment. And as I see, Sky Bundesliga HD1 is working too, but I suppose it replaced Sky Sport HD Extra.
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #15 : 27 Июля 2013, 16:34:07 »
yes, I also noticed this - as expected *g*

Sky Sport 3 HD (Formular-1 Control-channel):
2013/07/27 14:04:11 182758 c [ADD PID 0] CAID: 1833 ECM_PID: 1843 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:11 182758 c [ADD PID 1] CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 1B43 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:11 182758 c [ADD PID 2] CAID: 09AF ECM_PID: 1F43 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:11 182758 c [ADD PID 3] CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 1A43 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:11 182758 c Found 4 ECMpids and 5 STREAMpids in PMT
2013/07/27 14:04:11 182758 c New program number: 010C (1833:010C unknown) [pmt_list_management 3]
2013/07/27 14:04:12 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/010C/89:BE76): found (835 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:04:15 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/010C/89:0FD3): found (1343 ms) by sky-ger

Sky Sport 4 HD (Formular-1 Racer-channel):
2013/07/27 14:04:42 182758 c [ADD PID 0] CAID: 1833 ECM_PID: 1847 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:42 182758 c [ADD PID 1] CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 1B47 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:42 182758 c [ADD PID 2] CAID: 09AF ECM_PID: 1F47 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:42 182758 c [ADD PID 3] CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 1A47 PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:04:42 182758 c Found 4 ECMpids and 5 STREAMpids in PMT
2013/07/27 14:04:42 182758 c New program number: 0116 (1833:0116 unknown) [pmt_list_management 3]
2013/07/27 14:04:49 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0116/89:35C9): timeout (7209 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:04:50 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0116/89:5B37): timeout (7210 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:04:57 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0116/89:E2A8): timeout (7201 ms) by sky-ger

Sky Sport 5 HD (Formular-1 Pitlane channel):
2013/07/27 14:05:38 182758 c [ADD PID 0] CAID: 1833 ECM_PID: 184B PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:05:38 182758 c [ADD PID 1] CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 1B4B PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:05:38 182758 c [ADD PID 2] CAID: 09AF ECM_PID: 1F4B PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:05:38 182758 c [ADD PID 3] CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 1A4B PROVID: 000000
2013/07/27 14:05:38 182758 c Found 4 ECMpids and 5 STREAMpids in PMT
2013/07/27 14:05:38 182758 c New program number: 0120 (1833:0120 unknown) [pmt_list_management 3]
2013/07/27 14:05:39 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0116/89:BD5C): timeout (7203 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:05:45 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:E756): timeout (7205 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:05:49 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:6551): timeout (7206 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:05:56 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:DAC4): timeout (7206 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:06:03 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:42E5): timeout (7206 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:06:10 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:64B5): timeout (7206 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:06:17 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:D8AE): timeout (7206 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:06:24 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:B8B7): timeout (7216 ms) by sky-ger
2013/07/27 14:06:31 182758 c cooli (1833&000000/0000/0120/89:CA74): timeout (7216 ms) by sky-ger

tomorrow afternoon 28th July from 13:15cest up to 15:25cest regarding EPG-information there will be a Bundesliga-2 football match on "Sky Bundesliga HD 3" ( Astra1, 11992h, 27500, 9/10 S2-QPSK with SID 0115/277)- I also expect this channel to be blocked - but we will see tomorrow :)

The fact that Sky Sport 3 HD is available for all customers is related to the canceld channel Sky Sport HD Extra which is no longer available: no customer, even not the cheap "discount-subscribers" should get less (HD) channels than before - so Sky Sport 3 HD is enabled for all HD-customers by default (regardless of the money they need to spend for the channel)

For football/Bundesliga you should expect to get Bundesliga 1 + 2 HD decoded (because until now customers were able to watch 2 Bundesliga games in HD on Sky Sport 1 + 2 HD channel
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #16 : 01 Августа 2013, 20:10:30 »
Hello suma,

I sent a mail to admin on sunday and received the mail from auto-responder of the mailbox - so mail should have arrived correctly, but I got no reply yet
I must admit I have not really specified my request and pleased admin to read this thread, especially posting #13 and #15 - I am sorry, but I think I cannot explain the problem better than I have done in this thread :(

Perhaps you can contact admin and expain the problem ?

BTW: football game on Sky Bundesligae 3 HD was decoded on sunday
regarding this I found a mail from SkyDE_customer service to a subscriber: any subscriber who was able to decode Sky Sport Extra HD (channel no longer available) also get Sky Bundesliga 3 HD and Sky Sport 3 HD - as already mentioned before: SkyDe policy also guarantee that no one receive less HD channels than before new lineup of Sky channels/packages (at least until the existing subscription ends)
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #17 : 01 Августа 2013, 20:17:45 »
Hi,
I have already provided the response from the Moderator earlier that NO ONE channel in SkyDe is filtered by SIDs. If earlier, in order to add some new channels, we asked users for the channels' SID, currently we don't ask for SIDs, because all channels we subscribed to are decoded equally. If the channel is decoded, it's good, you will be able to watch it. If no- sorry, we can do nothing with this. Moderator explained that he is not going to change subscription for SkyDe available, nor buy any additional channels. the subscription we have is specified in the links I provided before.
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #18 : 01 Августа 2013, 21:04:49 »
I am sorry about that because I and my friednds were really satisfied with your service. However, we are intersted in the new channels and as already mentioned before have no problem to pay some Euro in addition.

Perhaps we can think about a voting who is interested in a more expensive SkyDE-subscription for some more money ?
Can you tell how long the existing SkyDE subscription will run - because to extend the current subscription he will also get the new prices which include full Bundesliga HD and Sports HD ?

BTW: in your fomer reply you mentioned that no SID is blocked but nothing about "thats all and nothing will change", to be pecisely you suggested to contact admin myself :(
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Re: New Sky Sport HD Channels not working
« Ответ #19 : 01 Августа 2013, 21:08:45 »
Moderator explained that he is not going to change subscription for SkyDe available, nor buy any additional channels. the subscription we have is specified in the links I provided before.
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